A copy of documents responsive to the request. In over 30 years of flying, I have sat and listened to amateur pilots give ATC professionals a load of sh*#. I almost always fly IFR. The pilot of N731NR is a jerk, as well as an unsafe pilot that should not be flying. This guy intentionally violated it, then took up ATC's time fighting about it. NASTY ARGUMENT between Cessna Pilot and Vegas ATC! Flightaware shows he flew in from denver at 16300' level the whole way. He could have declared, he could have said he has a medical emergency, heck he could have said all sorts of things. These people keep us safe. This isnt a slap on the wrist type of offense. Sometimes pilots make a mistake and wrongly enter this zone which is deemed a violation. Pierce, April 6, 1859. CTO (Control Tower Operator) with AS Degree in ATC. Cookie Notice (Identification) POSSIBLE PILOT DEVIATION ADVISE YOU CONTACT (facility) AT (telephone number). But Id recommend against posting it, even if that person turns out to be the idiot in question. I'm a commercial pilot and CFII. Uncharacteristic behavior is often one of the first indicators of an underlying problem. All I do is shake my head and smile. Student name just called ATC, skipped approach control called the tower directly when he was on a short final for FSD advised his name and I'm coming in. Especially for psychological problems, and probably especially if something's making you hypoxic below 6000 feet. They made me navigate the class B environment that I was unfamiliar with without help from ATC. And stop hating on those people in supermarkets and parks. (at least formally) This is serious,you can't be that blatantly disobedient. Alan BillingsFOIA Business AnalystFederal Aviation Administration AFN-400(O) 202-267-6352alan.billings@faa.gov, Subject: RE: Freedom of Information Act Request: FAA records for N731NR. Then landed on the beach. "LAS: "Nobody clears you through the Bravo but me. Thank one every time you get where you're going. Hundreds could have died. This is why the notion of sport and private pilot licenses are a bunch of BS. Mistakes happen. Im flying.. ), Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen). I know the FAA is trying to do the whole kinder gentler thing but there is a time to make an example. Other pilots chimed in calling him for what he was. The other pilot had it right - he's a real a*&^. MuckRock users can file, duplicate, track, and share public records requests Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Even if the controller cleared him into Bravo, that's no place to question her. For starters, she let him wander into bravo and didn't kick him out until he was well inside. Either that or he's going to get some very long vectors around special use airspace. The plane was a Cessna P210N, so pressurization could be an issue. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. That kind of thing happens every day. The pilot of N731NR is a jerk, as well as an unsafe pilot that should not be flying. 2021.4.14.1400. ALL pilots know you have to hear the magic words, Cleared into Brovo. Or the one over Cerritos in 1986?". Ive dealt the entering class B many times. Continuing into class Bravo airspace without a clearance and then flying right thru the active ILS approach to a major airport is a huge problem. The overall outcome will depend on the situation in question and the consequences of the incident. Share sensitive information only on official, secure websites. Laws don't matter anymore. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY will fly next to a cessna and then hold up a sign (that conveniently they stashed in the cockpit) and write on it with a magic marker. Time that controller needed for other pilots who HAD to be in the Class B. I can't believe anyone would defend his behavior Is it that hard to skirt around or over it? Secure .gov websites use HTTPS I'm the ATC supervisor in FSD is NxxxxR still owned by (bus name). Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. I was working the ER In Jerusalem and this belligerent teen was being kept there for observation post head trauma. He was wrong in what he did but I had to voice this opinion. Don't argue with these pros. Official websites use .govA .gov website belongs to an official government organization in the United States. The second LAS TRACON told him to exit Bravo he should have done the max-bank 180 his aircraft and his passenger(s) and he is comfortable with and exited Bravo. Me - yes sir, IP just sent student name on his long cross country and controlled airspace flight. I'm very impressed that he could do all that. Yeah, this whole sick daughter thing sounds like so much after action excuse making. Amelia McGillManagement & Program Analyst (FOIA Coordinator)FAA-Office of Foundational BusinessCorrespondence Services Branch, AFB-130424-405-7221. At the point you're referring to he was a FREAKING IDIOT who SHOULD LOSE HIS CERT violating airspace. and our When the controller said he was Researching this pilot's flight with FlightAware and Flightradar24 a much clearer picture emerges. Is there any way you can vector me through? This pilot came in over Lake Meade under the class B which requires no ATC clearance to operate an aircraft. .. The belligerent behavior of the pilot with the controller and the sound of his voice makes me wonder if this might have been suffering from mild hypoxia. I've been given instructions that I don't agree with. Researching this pilot's flight with FlightAware and Flightradar24 a much clearer picture emerges. In aviation, Bravo airspace or Class B space is a zone around some of the busiest airports that no plane or helicopter is allowed to enter without permission. I live in Las Vegas. Heres the full ATC audio, should you want to listen to it (when you listen to it youll appreciate just how angry this guys tone is): Ive never heard ATC audio where a pilot is so disobedient to instructions. The Registry will be issuing revised certificates in batches based on the former expiration date. This guy should be banned from flying period! If you should have any trouble viewing this email or the attachment, please notify us immediately. Note that the question does NOT ask: > When ATC has you call them for pilot deviation you have made, what do they say on the phone? Really when you hit "submit" you should have not. The guy should be investigated and suspended until taught both manners and flying law. Pilot deviation can leave passengers, crew, and people on the ground in danger. Good job on hitting a new high USA! How hard would it be to just clear him through? At the end, it seems like there was at least one transmission we didn't hear where this pilot was giving "his side of the story" to Henderson Ground, hence that controller apologizing to him. airworthiness of an aircraft or the current aircraft configuration. You don't get to tar the rest of us with his brush. Air traffic controllers are susceptible to power trips and moods and biases, just like everyone else. Answer (1 of 8): Forgive me, but I have a tendency to twist ambiguous questions like this. I too am amazed at the next tower's apology. Or . Flying his bird may get a lot less pleasant REAL fast. It appears that this pilot is a child of the "Magenta Line", it looks like he flies with automation on a lot. From: twitter.com/journo_anon Public Records Requester, Subject: Freedom of Information Act Request: FAA records for N731NR. Sincerely,Annjanette CumminsNational FOIA Coordinator for ANM, AAL & AWP RegionsFOIA Program Management Branch, AFN-400(206) 231-2034[AFN3_SignatureImage_2a]. Sometimes, when major airports are busy, they ban transitions through their airspace, in which case you have to either: - route around, under, or above the relevant airspace It is really important to understand how severe the consequences can be. He should AT LEAST be suspended, and frankly, given his behavior, I have no issue with his losing it. Review: EgyptAir Lounge Cairo Airport (CAI). Second, yes, people make mistakes, and when someone tells you "Hey you made a mistake here's Karen: If the pilot is unsure of an ATC clearance, they can simply request clarification from ATC. That being said, its not just a comfort level thing or willingness issue - its often a safety Im an air traffic controller in a class B airspace (one of the 8 US airports busier than LAS) and I have to admit that Im occasionally underwhelmed by the services that my coworkers are willing to provide; how unenthusiastic they can be about working a little harder to allow a VFR aircraft to enter the airspace. The pilot was asked to leave, but decides to stay. Please refer to the above referenced number on all future correspondence regarding this request. We have your student at the local FBO, and one of my people has the keys. Every pilot has equal access to the airspace system and have Bravo airspace, like Ben said, is the airspace around major airports in the country. We will leave some of the most common violations below for you to read about. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); He violated Bravo airspace. What a name for a company! The report said the pilot was distracted adjusting the climate control on approach. I've gotta jump on the bandwagon in wondering "just what the heck 'Karen' was thinking" when she told the 99.9999999% of commentors on this site to get the "sticks out of their asses". Please provide this information by COB, on Friday July 17, 2020, or we will go with the last known requestor from MuckRock.com, who we are showing as Matthew Phelan. Caller - oh you might say that. There's no stick up anyone's ass here just concerned people who want to ensure the people who trust us to get them to point B are safe. Please find attached the completed copy of your FOIA request number 2020-007191 from the Aviation Data Systems Branch in Oklahoma City. I thought I was cleared, I have an ill 6 year old on board. N731NR: "Vegas Approach, Centurion 731NR with you descending through 5700'"LAS: "1NR, Las Vegas Approach, Las Vegas altimeter, 29.88. Thank you.Respectfully,Geneva LaingManagement and Program Analyst, Management & Administrative Support Team, AJV-W640, Northwest Mountain Regional OfficeATO Western Service CenterResource Management Group2200 S. 216th St., 3rd Floor, 3N-458Des Moines, WA 98198Office: 206-231-3337Geneva.Laing@faa.gov, [Your new Mission Support Services Logo! And an ATP should be a few thousand. (Apologies if external links aren't allowed.). But I'd recommend against posting it, even if that person turns out to be the idiot in question. Both pilot and atc handled the situation poorly. The requirements for us to enter Bravo airspace are spelled out with extreme clarity in the FARs; this one dickhead decided to ignore those requirements. Friday. Hard to believe there is somebody out there kind-of defending him! I will answer the question exactly as written: > When ATC has you call. Anarchists on the ground, anarchists in the air. Keith - THANK YOU for all that you did to ensure the safety of your passengers and your crew! My reliable bet is that sometime between approach switching the aircraft to tower and the time the phone number is read, the pilot gave the tower controller a sob story. incorporated its pilot deviation notification procedures into the Facility Operation and Administration publication in 1986. Information Mike current at Henderson, they're landing 35"N731NR: [inaudible]. Hundreds could have died. Get the stick out of your asses. 08:47PM EDT Montreal-Trudeau - YUL. The wheels of justice grind slowly but they do grind - Ken White (a lawyer and a good one). Been there, done that. I've gotta jump on the bandwagon in wondering "just what the heck 'Karen' was thinking" when she told the 99.9999999% of commentors on this site to get the "sticks out of their asses". Humans make mistakes sometimes its not a reason to bully somebody. It should have gone 1NR, please exit the Bravo. Single and Multi engine with Instrument privileges. ATC should have called the Airforce on him. It will get figured out. Calling the cops on "someone suspicious" has become a way to say "There's a minority person and I don't like something about them so I called the cops on them.". Blatantly ignoring ATC is criminally gross negligence. 731NR | Pilots of America Home Forums Controlled Airspace Flight Following 731NR Discussion in ' Flight Following ' started by WWFeldman, Oct 29, 2020 . On Reddit they doxed him. To break down the exchange, the air traffic controller orders the aircraft to leave the Bravo airspace and pilot whines and refuses because he's already in the airspace. Penalties, possibly, but he claesrlrx requested class B and was blown off "Nobody gives a f*. "N731NR (angrily): "I'm not ready to copy. Everything is on tape. Aviation SafetyOffice of Safety StandardsRegulatory Support DivisionAviation Data Systems Branch, In our continuing effort to improve the quality of service to our stakeholders, we would appreciate any comments you may have about our services and how to improve them. Not a cool move on his part. She is going to give him the number when he's ready. A pilot will be given priority in an emergency situation, and they will need to submit a report of this emergency within 48 hours to the manager of the ATC facility if this is requested of them. Time for this jerk to buy a ticket on Southwest and shut up. Did anyone ever find out what happened to this pilot? He should not even be allowed to control his own [emailprotected]. Caller - this is xx. Indeed: N731NR - Aircraft Registration Information D DankVectorz Legendary Member FAA Messages 1,895 Facility N90 New York Tracon Jun 25, 2020 #6 Phillyman2633 said: What the cuck? At this point another pilot chimes in and says youre an [emailprotected]@hole, and the pilot responds youre being that, this is not appropriate language. The video then goes back to the previous communication, which makes it clear that the pilot had never received clearance. What happened to this pilot? I noticed the same aircraft had an incident last year with a gear-up landing in St. Louis. Its about attitude, and my only (very generous) defense of this pilots terrible attitude is that all of us are more tense and reactive these days with the covid pandemic, elections, riots, BLM, and other socio-political upheavals were dealing with globally. Otherwise he'll have his license yanked in *very* short order. The duration of aircraft registration certificates has been extended up to 7 years. P.S. He flew the plane and student back, Mom advised student (he wanted to finish he's flight) he was done until she discussed it with IP and Dad as owner and Chief Pilot. I just looked over the link you posted. Pull that @$$holes license and give him a huge fine. If you are in trouble for pilot deviation, the results could be very bad. 1NR, exit the Bravo immediately.Pilot: Ive been talking to you the whole time. Sounds like he could have told the controller when given the phone number or when he called that it wasn't him if he wanted to. Learn more. The aircraft, N731NR, is registered to "Wife Approved LLC." Some of the penalties of pilot deviation can be no action, a warning notice or letter of correction, certificate suspension, civil penalties, retraining, and even certificate revocation. Whether BR was cleared or not he was tracked and being separated. The Federal Aviation Administration publishes quarterly a compilation of enforcement actions against regulated aviation entities that are closed with either a civil penalty or issuance of a certificate suspension or revocation. https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/faa-records-for-n731nr-97015/, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Second, yes, people make mistakes, and when someone tells you "Hey you made a mistake here's how to correct it" you do just that. You should be ashamed. He responds he requested clearance previously. I was the 16yo kid working the desk when his #2 instructor sent a private student off on his long cross country and controlled airspace solo flight he went to lunch. I think by "Airforce" [sic] you're thinking of all those movies you've seen. The likelihood of an actual air collision is low due to the training of "most" pilots, but you don't need a guy like this. She was far better to him than a lot of NY approach controllers are to good pilots on a good day (and I like NY approach, by the way). As a pilot, pilot deviation is something that you should avoid at all costs when possible, but what does it mean? This was a blatant disregard of regulations after being told to exit the Class B. Yes humans make mistakes, and that is why aviation has the strictest protocols outside Oh my gosh! | Busted Bravo Airspace VASAviation - 519K subscribers Join Subscribe 9.7K 728K views 2 years ago Date: 20/JUN/2020 Your support is really. This guy make me sick!!! You don't insist you didn't make a mistake. > Word of caution: the owner of the aircraft is easily found, and plenty of information is out there. Good on you for being anti-US and pro-mask and anti-Vegas, but not in a discussion that has nothing to do with that, smart-guy. Probably is not the first time he had poor service from ATC. He did request a clearance. We are going to explain what pilot deviation is in this article, and how serious this violation can be for you. I'd very much like to know. There are legal charges. - claiming he got auth when he didn't N1NR answers back that "he's flying". I hope this guy is ready to hear a lot of "unable VFR services" or "radar services terminated, squawk VFR, frequency change approved" when they recognize who he is again. Get the stick out of your asses. Plus..help us if weather becomes a problem, as it did yesterday..with vectors around threatening weather. I'll give you the number when you're ready to copy." . Any follow up on this? However he failed to descend below the inner ring, that ring starts at 4500 ft MSL and goes up to 10000 ft MSL. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. BTW to the ATC controller who explained workload issues during handoff - thank you!! MuckRock is a non-profit collaborative news site that gives you the tools to keep our government transparent and accountable. Looks like he was below 6000 the whole time. I looked back over it, and finally saw the one you mentioned, somehow missed it before. This guy might just be the most negligent pilot ever in terms of how he ignores instructions. The pilots is always in command, not the controller. Ill give you the number when youre ready to copy.Pilot: Im not ready to copy. Another pilot chimes in with his thoughts. But N1NR wants clearance nonetheless and is refusing to leave. I'd like to know more about the outcome. We want to do our jobs admirably and we want to make pilots happy. To cross LAS B airspace to get to HND is To cross LAS B airspace to get to HND is beyond my ability to grasp. Get the stick out of your asses". Assuming N1NR requested clearance, in standard aviation communications, there is a clear protocol. This guy has absolutely no business being in command of an automobile, much less an aircraft in class B airspace. If you are aware that you have made a mistake, and have filled out the necessary reports, then it will be less likely that you will face serious consequences. This kind of thing gets people killed. I know this Controller and she is good at her job. To check up on N1NR 's claim that he requested clearance there was only one conversation between N1NR and ATC that was seven minutes prior. https://cdn.muckrock.com/foia_files/2020/09/15/FLM1_Phone_Call_N731NR_-_Redacted.wav. This will come out in time. Controllers do not make up things to pick on pilots. Go get him FAA!!! Maybe, just maybe this controller was playing her Bravo authority a little too far? I think by "Airforce" [sic] you're thinking of all those movies you've seen. I'm only going this way because something in his demeanor smells like something else is at play. About 45 minutes after the student left my phone rings So long "Karen". Its ridiculous that youre allowed to take the control of a Cessna independently at 60-80 hours of learning. And, when pilot deviation notification procedures were first added to the ATC manual in 1995, the procedure and phraseology were substantially similar to the pertinent provisions of Notice Additionally while it is not required to end a conversation with ATC with the tail number, it is customary to do so for many reasons. like this one. Your request is assigned to the office listed below: Federal Aviation Administration Contact: Amelia McGillWestern-Pacific Region (424) 405-7221Flight Standards Division, AWP-200777 S. Aviation Blvd.El Segundo, CA 90245.
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