One day in June, the tribespeople bring him what he wants; The backpacks and the bodies. But in the last year, several mass graves have been unearthed, revealing to the world a dark practice of human sacrifice which is thriving in the jungles of Panama. She does look slightly uneasy but I just think it was a photo she wasnt expecting. This whole incident is the stuff of horror movies and very chilling, even if it was an accident. At the beginning of this video I think I see some blue dye/paint/powder on one of the mens legs and something blue on the floor. The last half either had a wrong password, or simply no password at all was entered. But what if that is what led them off track ? Yes indeed!I hadnt noticed that before!is it a carved rock of sorts?. Its part of life in the countryside and small towns. I havent seen any discussions on this. The world may never know what happened to the pair, but speculation still runs wild. From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. More info here. Hi Chris, I agree that discussion should be civil but this comment section has turned into something which I consider to be absolutely ridiculous. But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. So if you look behind her bottom theres a patch of light which is the light at the other end of this tunnel and shes holding her right hand up to her face to sweep back a piece of hair. 9.3 million tourists visited Australia in 2019 (year ending June 2019). Like you would get from being hit. Highly probable. You see the pattern to the left and right of her arm. I think the last three photos of Kris show a definite change in mood. Please support us we cant do it without you. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story ^ From that point the trail leads over another dangerous cable bridge, and two more rickety plank swing-bridges, before reaching the Ngobe village of Alto Romero on the banks of the Culebra. Out of the dozens of calls, only one managed to connect, but broke up after just two seconds due to the lack of reception. The rich live in gated communities. And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. Froon and Kremers were both in their early 20s; they traveled to Panama to work with children. The BLUE object on ground could be a BRA. Its very disappointing to see the comment sections on this website to be allowed to turn into a very disrespectful and unfunny joke. What I find most concerning is her face. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. incredibly complicated for a new story to be written. So, their work was good but not perfect. I think someone took them there. This story and all the bizarre features surrounding it as strange as they are, are actually very much similar to the thousands that have been put together by former cop and forest ranger David Pauladis series of books Missing 411. They protested in China - now they've gone missing. You can even see the shadow of her han on her face. Estou certa que no foi Lisanne que a tirou. I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. Some people believe the two girls got lost lost, some people believe the third-party theory and some people have mixed theories. Do they know more than we do? Subsequent analysis revealed that on April 4, Froons phone battery became exhausted, but between April 5 and April 11, Kremers iPhone was turned on multiple times but whoever turned it on didnt enter the PIN code correctly. These photos all look very photoshopped. Hi Chris, Very interested in your website! Cats are often seen as pests and scavengers which is unfortunately why many people use poison to kill local cats. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? Dogs are very independent here. What people are mistaking as swelling of the right eye/cheek is simply the sunlight highlighting the contours of the right side of her face while the left side is in shadow, probably combined with squinting of the right eye due to the bright light. Only a handful of the pictures retrieved from the memory card showed clear images, with most showing near-complete darkness. I wonder? Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. But the blue was also something I noticed. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. Theres A red plastic bag above Kris in a tree to her left. Im not understanding why they bothered to create a cover story. Solvable: yes; but with each year that goes by less likely. But we need to be careful about the information we have. They added a caution sign after their disappearance for this exact reason. Hopefully, this 2021 investigation can find the truth of exactly what happened. Give me a link. Its very interesting that the dog is not clearly visible in any of the pictures. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. It appears further down as well. The remains of both women were found soon after that. For the next four days they travel. What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. She is looking down to the left and appears to be shocked by what she sees. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Eight tourists from Moscow who. I too noticed a nose and lips appearing. Rights of initiation? We live in interesting times. 1. I could go on and on. Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? All Froon and Kremers photos were taking with phones and a camera from six years ago, probably jpeg, with all the associated algorithm issues, let alone we have no idea of the provenance of the photos we are all seeing, I doubt any of it is first generation copies straight from the devices, and every time we copy a photo we risk changing the data somewhat. Over the years, dozens of tourists like Agarwal, many of them foreign nationals, have gone missing while visiting the Parvati Valley in the state of Himachal Pradesh. If a psychic reading leads to some legitimate form of tangible evidence and made public, then thats excellent, but otherwise I think its mostly a distraction. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. Its a bit strange that the dog is not in any picture. Two months after the backpack was found, a pelvic bone and foot still inside a boot were discovered in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). I was clearly kept elsewhere and planted later. So that is what she discovered here. Did they lose it right at the start of the hike, but didnt bother to go and look for it? I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. Why not just kill them and leave it be? The relationship between pets and owners is different in Central America than in developed countries. Her stance is weird there is nothing of note she could be looking at and it is difficult to tell what her right arm is doing. Hi Carin, thanks for your comment. If so then those could tell some information. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? I see the nose and mouth and possibly and eye, like they were trying to hide from the girls or camera and peaking behind branches creepy. Hi Jim, That particular photo was supposed to have been taken at 1.20 pm. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. Hi Lisa, I wrote an in-depth analysis of Kriss bones here: The government officials involved failed at providing a thorough analysis/evaluation. Is there somebody behind the insignia? None of the calls ever got through due to a lack of a signal. She is clearly shielding her eyes from the sun by holding her right arm up. Is this in dispute? Hope this was not a member of one of those mad religious sects that, over the years, have been torturing and killing people in Panama. Looking carefully at her forehead you can see theres only the shade from a pole but her face is shaded. Of course, there are always exceptions. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? Thanks for your comment. However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. This story struck my heart. Hello and thank you for doing such a thorough research. So this sparked my curiosity. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. What is clear is that on that fateful day the girls went out for a short hike and never came back. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. Was it taken on the afternoon of April 1st before their first distress call? There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. Not everything is a complex conspiracy, people. Why? We can only speculate without more evidence of that. The chain of custody is muddy. When browsing the images that were on Lisanne Froons phone, I also noticed that a lot of other websites cropped off the top of this particular photo of Kris Kremers. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. And the police are not helping at all it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. Yes, thank you, Sue. One showed Kremers with what looked like concern on her face,dated around the time of the emergency calls. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. A disturbing set of photographs are at the center of a mystery of the disappearance and death of two young women in Panama and local authorities are currently bewildered by a conspicuously missing photo file on their SD card. Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. You mention the research team. A lot of times countries dont want investigations to be publicized or they shut them down as best they can in order for their tourist trade to not be hurt!!!!! Nothing can explain the bones, the cut foot, their underwear in one of the backpacks. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. It would be like a marker for anyone to see. However, the tone of the pictures began to change. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. Hi Susan, those are all possibilities. This! I think its possible the red and black object is actually just a reddish-brown dead plant leaf jungle leaves can get rather large. What I have not found is concrete evidence of where they went. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. Really sad story, whichever way you look. Depending on how many mobile towers there are the police should have information. December 17, 2022. The supporting pole is diagonal from upper right to lower middle indicating the path is beginning to head down. Hi, do you know when and where this book will be available? Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. One question sticking to the government interference and coverup, with the deletion of a photo (nr, 531?) This either meant Lisanne Froon was conscious while Kris was not, and tried to call emergency services, or that a third party tried to get into her phone but didnt succeed. I know that its tempting to a lot of people to make simple conclusions, but its simply not possible to make conclusions without more information. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Does anyone else see what looks like the back of someones head, their bare back and arm inside the manmade circular object? So I see men in the cave. And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. To me, this photo says it all. Here is what bothers me about this event. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Its thought that Kremers and Froon were exploring nature without anyone else around. So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. Why did he leave them? On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. Packed up the bag, left it, and tried to walk out. Easily done, I have done that myself several times. The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. My husband is a mountain climber and when hes out, the mountain rescue flys multiple times a day because hikers overestimate their abilities in the german Alps, not anywhere in the jungle. Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. They are really good, especially parts 3 and 4, which give a lot of information about the girls photos. The stats leave 42 cases currently open since 2007. Again NO SIGNAL! I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. Someone in the comments put the link to your website thats how I found you! IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? Search shoe with foot in it found. Kris is hunched over beside a sacrificial alter with hands tied behind her. I think that if the parents had withheld important photographs,showing that the circumstances pointed to natural causes,they would have disclosed that theory before now, surely,if for no other reason,than to prevent further speculation about the girls disappearance. Two years later, a 23 year old American woman is strangled to death while walking the trails. There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. The rock isnt about the twig its got chunks of flesh and blood splatter all over it to the right and back of rock. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. He has some resources at his disposal. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. I believe one fell. The phones showed that just hours after the beginning of their hike, someone dialed 112 and then 911. This is because people who knew the area were able to recognize that the nighttime photos were likely taken at Caldera springs, more than 20 miles from the area the girls allegedly went missing at. They probably came off the summit the wrong way. You have to look hard. No chance. 2. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. Also last year, 22-year-old Florida man Craig Taylor was found strangled to death on a dirt road in Punta Sam, north of downtown Cancun. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. Returning the phones + money immediately made it look like they werent attacked for robbery. While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . One thing which confused me were the bras the smaller one looks more like a bikini top. That looks kinda like a monster, Very interesting and thorough analysis. Ive met a few people that have maintained their pet in the same way as we do in the USA. In the first half of this year, tourist arrivals fell globally by more than 65 percent, with a near halt since Aprilcompared with 8 percent during the global financial crisis and 17 percent amid the SARS epidemic of 2003, according to ongoing IMF research on tourism in a post-pandemic world. In the picture of her in the Cave? The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. & the way the local police handled it seems so botched making it stranger, & why keep some pictures hidden from the public still, especially if the case is closed now? If you think America is safe you are ignorant! Cops quizzed locals, tour guides and other hikers, but only the photos and call logs provided a slither of evidence as to what had happened. Especially the one where Kris is holding a water bottle 30-40ft from the photo-taker. Has anyone gone back to the spot where the photo was taken? Heres what I think happened. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. However, one particular group of indigenous people were discovered (updated, old link) in January 2020 to be capturing people, torturing them and offering them as human sacrifices. They know that youre supposed to find a river, so they set out in search. Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Seems strange. The theories Ive read seem too far-fetched to be believable. There is an illustration drawn on Kriss back in the hair photo. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. The main/central support bar (branch?) The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. Ive seen the chronological order of the photos posted by Scarlet and some of the strikes me as being askew. Its a complex topic. I dissagree with her hand beeing tied. I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. Also, I do not know about the girls living situation and the relationship between the girls and the owner. I dont know if youve noticed this or not. Problem with that is that you would think they would simply turn round once they realised. Hundreds! How certain are we that they started at the trail head as we are told? Does anyone know where this photo was taken in relation to their happy photos taken at the top of the Continental divide? It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. If so, it would indicate that she had been kept alive for a few weeks or more. The red and black objects look like bolt cutters or tree cutter. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. If a cave was found that would be big news and there could be DNA evidence inside it. These other comments are just people seeing what they want to see, to make things more mysterious. Well done Chris on highlighting the strangeness of this place. There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. Hi Ray, thank you for your comment. I like the wit and sarcasm. I have seen her stick out her tongue and other photos of her. Most gangs in Panama are not big gangs with hundreds of members, like you would find in Mexico and El Salvador. Was the reception that bad in those locations? It looks like a turtle shell hanging on the right side of the picture (its further up). Be careful. Probably the culprit or stupid tribe didnt delete anything coz they took pictures on purpose .for example to sell the footage .but allready the police or parents who asked the investigator to delete it .they just simply didnt want to show it to everyone. It is the morning of April 8th. Definitely foul play, in my opinion. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. Life of a stay at home home. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story. I think Juantarctica made a compelling case on YouTube for this theory. So sad what happened to them today is the first Ive heard of the story and its wildly upsetting. Its incredibly sad. I cover a lot of these things in my other comprehensive article regarding Kris Kremers Bones: There are simply too many variables involved to oversimplify the case with the conclusion that they got lost. The families continued to plead with the U.S. government to send equipment and personnel to aid in the search and recovery effort. I suspect the timestamps on some images are incorrect. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now.
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